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Saturday, December 31, 2011

HAPPY NEW YEAR!


From Pachyderm Pride - We hope everyone out there has a fun, SAFE time. Thank you to all the users, commenters, posters, writers, and everyone that helps spread the word. We have a lot of work to do, but so far, it has been great to see so many people expressing themselves and spreading their conservative message. Your support shows you care about our country. It shows you are tired of the status quo. It shows you don't want your minds made up by the mainstream media, and it shows just how great Americans can be.

At the end of the year, we launched Reader's Posts, and the support has been amazing. We are receiving tons of emails about RPs and are so glad to hear that people who want to express themselves feel they now can. We know not everyone has the time to write down every political thought they think of, so RPs are a great way to just "let it out" sometimes without all the maintenance, hassle and upkeep of running a full blog. Most importantly, people get heard and information is shared. We hope you continue to submit your writings, and we will do our best to post them quickly.

Onward to 2012! We are looking forward to a great year! Show YOUR Pachyderm Pride!

Friday, December 30, 2011

READER'S POST #2 - Democracy at its Finest: The Write-In Cain Movement

The Write-In Cain Movement
By: Totus Tuus

On Saturday, Dec. 3 2011, Herman Cain suspended his campaign. Prior to the announcement, my husband gave his prediction. He predicted that if Herman Cain came out swinging he would get more supporters than ever. My husband loathes politics so him giving his 2 cents was quite remarkable. He is still voting for Herman Cain in our primary. We had both made our minds up some time ago. It was a horrible day when we heard Cain announce the suspension of his campaign. We were sure Mr. Cain would come out fighting, but that's easy to say from our vantage point.

Now you can read all kinds of media analysis up one side and down the other. My take? Who cares? We know they want Romney on one side and Obama on the other. We know the media thinks we hired them to do some job and to get paid some good money. Someone needs to tell them they are there as a service to US and they owe US better. After this Herman Cain fiasco they owe us WAY better. That's a rant for another day, however, and believe me, it's coming.

So… what happened to all those people who got on the train and weren't going to get off? We're still on the train! The track has switched to the Underground Railroad and we're still going. We're voting for the person who is the best candidate, and that has not changed. Herman Cain was the same person before Dec 3rd as he was the day after Dec 3rd.

We hear things like, “it’s a wasted vote." To you, maybe, because it's not for your candidate. Maybe your vote is a "wasted vote" for all you know. It seems this was the same scenario we had in 2008, and look where that got us. We will not walk into a voting booth with our noses plugged this time. We're going to vote Herman Cain if he's on the ballot and write him in if he's not. We will be darned PROUD of that vote [Be sure to write-in Herman Cain! If you do a write-in, it MUST be exact or it will get thrown out].

Here's another doozy people demand from us about the write in movement: "stop it!" Our response: “do you think we're actively recruiting people?” We are not! What outsiders don't get is we're not coercing anyone. Voters would write-in or vote for Cain whether we said anything or not. It's a movement that consists of like-minded folks reaching out to each other for support of a common goal.

The final doozy is how we need to "work from the outside." Has anyone ever heard of a program or idea that came from a dropout candidate affecting anything or anyone? Yes! One of the examples someone cited to me was the tea party and the 2010 elections. The tea party evolved from our dissatisfaction with what remained IN the race, and no one can disagree with that. The question for those elected politicians is: what changed?

So who are these people involved in the Herman Cain write-in movement? They are people who are not going to be dissuaded, and they are from every state in the nation. Some appear to be new people who got on board recently. Perhaps after watching enough of the debates they realized how good a candidate Herman Cain really is. There are groups on Facebook, people on Twitter, and I have the feeling they are even people “out there” who are thinking exactly the same thing we are but don't use social media.We've been jumping up and down to get media attention although it might be better we don't. I have lovely thoughts of us coming in from under the radar (“stealth” so to speak) and knocking the MSM off their high horse.

From now until Caucus day in Iowa day (where our main focus is for now) we will be writing letters to the editors and constantly tweeting. We are presently trying to create some ads. Iowans who support Cain will still be wearing their Herman Cain gear. Some will even be wearing their Write-In Cain gear. Many supporters are advertising Write-In Cain gear and the proceeds are going to go for a write in Cain billboard. This is all part of the grassroots effort for Herman Cain.

The focus then shifts to the upcoming state primaries, but for now it remains on Iowa. Herman Cain suspended his campaign. Herman Cain should stand back up, get back in, and let the MSM know that he's with us. We will even try for a brokered convention.

We have become his campaign, and we need our candidate NOW!

We want our vote, and we will have it! Sorry MSM. Sorry GOP elites. Sorry to you silly pundits, too. We are the people, and we will have our ....vote!

Herman Cain America is calling. PLEASE answer.

Additional Information:

To put a name behind the movement, Carl Boyd Jr. has been the voice of the Write-In Cain movement on Twitter and Facebook. His radio show is out of Cain's birth state of Tennessee. I should note that there are states where it may not be necessary to write-in Herman Cain. His name will be appearing on many ballots as it is.

Here are some folks behind the efforts for the write in movement:

Facebook groups including write ins for Herman Cain and 75 million for Cain:


Follow the movement on Twitter. The following are those who tweet on a regular basis for the Write-In Cain movement. We generally use the hash tag #writeincain:

Aforementioned Carl Boyd Jr who's leading the charge: @WRITEINCAIN1
Me @ACatholic4Cain                                   
@IA4Cain                                                     
@RNconservative                                         
@Fingersflying                                               
@oso_mama
@FC4999HC
@CindiLCC
@kimmichaud 
@WayneNorris2
@Rmueting
@FreeMktMonkey
@glennbeckrox 
@carboaddict 
@muddy2011
@kdbaxley
@mathetes1963 
@AmericanSpringg 
@IAMPCBob

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Thursday, December 29, 2011

READER'S POST #1 (Continued Analysis) - Using Math and Common Sense to Fact-Check the Media

By: 32slim32

Well President Obama is off on another vacation and this one with a price tag of over $4 Million to the taxpayer. What’s that? Oh, “Bush took over 1,000 days of vacation”. Yes, we have all heard it. Whether you read it at Politifact or somewhere else, it all comes back to CBS’s Mark Knoller. He keeps “detailed records” of the Presidents scheduled (since Gerald Ford) appearances, speeches, travels, and vacation days. He has somewhat been the authority on Presidential “vacation days” because of his “detailed records”.

First, let’s define what a “vacation day” is in Mr. Knoller’s “detailed records”.  A “vacation day” is a “day OR a PARTIAL day” that the President is not at the White House or Camp David (although he does keep track of days and trips to Camp David, he does not count them as “vacation days” since they are usually week end trips). Notice, I said Knoller does not count days at Camp David as “vacation days”, however, when you hear people saying “Bush took over 1,000 days of vacation” those are still Knoller’s  numbers because he does keep track of days at Camp David. It is the combination of Knoller’s “vacation days” and Knoller’s days at Camp David records.

While Mr. Knoller has not published an “official list” (that I have been able to find) of Bush’s numerous “vacation days”, he does consistently publish his numbers (you know, every time Obama goes on vacation), and they are consistent.

The main claim I want to address in this article is, according to Mr. Knoller, “President George W. Bush spent even more time away from the presidential mansion in the nation’s capital than Reagan. Of the 77 total "vacation" trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president in 2001, according to Knoller.” Again, notice the “all or part of 69 days”. 

As I mentioned above, I have not been able to locate an official list that Mr. Knoller has published, however, I did find a list that a local television station maintained of all of Bush’s visits to Texas at http://www.kwtx.com/centraltexasvotes/misc/37768449.html. This list is very detailed. There were eight instances in which they did not list a departure date. In all eight instances I used a Monday departure date, as the majority were listed as “Weekend Visit”.

After having to make 8 assumptions on departure days (that were unlisted), I came within 3 days of Mr. Knoller’s number. His number was 77 trips for 490 days or partial days away from the White House, I came up with 487 days. Not too bad, I thought.

What is missing from Mr. Knoller’s report is a whole bunch of asterisks. For instance, a weekend visit to Camp David does not count as a “vacation day” (by Knoller’s standard). Mr. Knoller’s numbers include 130 days or partial days that would not be charged as “vacation days” with a Camp David destination, just from weekend visits to the Crawford ranch.

Another little asterisk that Mr. Knoller could have included would have been that at least 29 “vacation days” were meeting with leaders from other nations at the ranch, like:

- Vladimir Putin in November 2001
- Tony Blair in April 2002
- Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah April 2002
- Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar Bin Sultan August 2002
- Chinese President Jiang Zimen  October 2002
- Spanish President Jose Maria Aznar  February 2003
- Australian Prime Minister John Howard May 2003
- Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi May 2003
- Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi July 2003
- Mexican President Vicente Fox March 2004
- Egypt President Hosni Mubarak April 2004
- Mexican President Vicente Fox & Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin March 2005
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon April 2005
- Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah April 2005
- Colombian President Alvaro Uribe August 2005
- NATO Secretary General Jaap De Hoop Scheffer May 2007
- German Chancellor Angela Merkel November 2007
- Danish Prime Minister February 2008

How did Mr. Knoller’s “detailed records” forget those little details? 

Another little asterisk that Knoller could have included would be how Bush was charged with 4 days or partial “vacation days” by flying off to Iraq in November 2003 to visit the troops. Or another 7 “vacation days” while visiting wounded troops.

Another thing Knoller doesn’t come right out and mention, the 2 hour flight from Washington to Crawford counts as a “partial day” vacation each way. So there are 154 “vacation days” right here. And that brings me to the biggest anomaly in his record keeping. While a four hour round trip counts as two “days or partial days” away from the White House, a five hour golf outing doesn’t even register as time away from the White House.  How does that work, four hours on a plane is two “vacation days” and a five hour trip to the links is like you never even left the White House? 

So of the 490 days or partial days away from the White House (aka “vacation days”) it breaks down like this:

- 130 days or partial days on weekend visits to Crawford (that wouldn’t be counted if @ Camp David)
- 29 days (At the minimum) of meeting with world leaders while “on vacation”.
- 11 days of “vacation” visiting troops
- 154 “partial days” of vacation travelling to and from

That leaves 166 days of “vacation”, but in that, there are still meetings with economic advisers and security advisers, and some day trips that Bush took during his extended August stays at the ranch.

The next time you hear someone referring to Bush’s vacation days and using Mark Knoller’s numbers you now know how he inflates the numbers.  Maybe then ask how Obama hasn’t run up more days or partial days away from the White House than he has with 90 trips to the golf course.

Interesting little tid bit about Camp David. I believe the main reason Mark Knoller does not count time at Camp David as vacation time is because Jimmy Carter spent 376 days of his 4 years in office at Camp David, according to Mark Knoller. 

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