tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post4768507408063568251..comments2024-02-02T08:15:38.747-08:00Comments on The Elephant in the Room: Is This Really Anybody's Business?LMEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-53973526600910857542012-01-05T11:51:30.875-08:002012-01-05T11:51:30.875-08:00Sam King - Welcome back! Thank you for your kind w...Sam King - Welcome back! Thank you for your kind words. <br /><br />Yes, we are tired of uncited, non-backed info out there on both sides. If we make a point, an argument, or anything, we do our best to give a source. <br /><br />Also, have you seen this: http://loudmouthelephant.blogspot.com/2011/12/readers-posts-our-open-forum-blog.html<br /><br />The reason I ask is because if you like to write and express your views (regardless of being left or right, we are respectful to both), this might be a cool thing for you. If not, no biggie, no hard feelings at all. Take a look at that and some of the RPs that have been posted and let me know what you think. Thanks again!LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-43473974771659912862012-01-05T11:33:58.253-08:002012-01-05T11:33:58.253-08:00@ LME, I post as samking73 over on FN. Thats actua...@ LME, I post as samking73 over on FN. Thats actually where I found the link to this site.I read about the Hawaiian vacation's pricetag over on Newsmax. <br /> Contrary to anonymous' opinion, I would like to commend you on the fact that you do post your sources, unlike a lot of bloggers.Sam Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-64766352494229345352011-12-29T03:59:26.047-08:002011-12-29T03:59:26.047-08:00To the very civil, respectful anonymous poster (co...To the very civil, respectful anonymous poster (continued): <br /><br />Now, you finally got to a point, but I'm not really sure what you're saying. My blog post was that I don't like when the MSM writes about politicians' private lives like the Fox News article did. You say "WE PAY for," are you referring to the taxpayer-funded security detail, or are you trying to infer that the taxpayer paid for her private hotel room? As far as the assumption about me listening to talk radio, I've said this phrase a million times already "I can't live in a world of 'maybe you do' and 'you probably do this.'" You're wrong. I'd like to see you prove this. Assumptions are dangerous... I'm sure you've heard how they make you look bad. You kind of do here. If you would like to debate this issue in a CIVIL and RESPECTFUL (not to me, I don't demand respect, but I ask that it be maintained for all the other visitors of this blog) manner, you're welcome to do so. Otherwise, you, in my opinion, sound immature and uneducated. Just my view though... take care, and I hope you're able to relax a little bit.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-51208011334968323072011-12-29T03:58:51.591-08:002011-12-29T03:58:51.591-08:00To the very civil, respectful anonymous poster - g...To the very civil, respectful anonymous poster - good morning to you, sir!<br /><br />First, please keep your language clean. For what purpose do you curse? What does that accomplish? Your point does not see its value increase with every curse word. We want to maintain a civil and respectful blog, and you're not really keeping up with that. You're entitled to your opinions, but there is no reason to curse. <br /><br />Okay, on to your post. Am I stupid? Nope. But perhaps you either:<br /><br />1. Haven't read through the blog -or-<br />2. Do not know the distinction between many things. <br /><br />For proof, as you have seen throughout the blog if you read it, is the backing behind what people say. We at The Elephant in the Room are tired of people making unbacked claims. We ask that people that come here with an opinion cite the reasoning (data, articles, studies, etc.) why they feel the way they do. It is NOT bona fide proof. It is a check to make sure people do not live in ignorance.<br /><br />You seem to not know the distinction between things. For this blog post we cited a Fox News article. We are NOT claiming this is proof of anything. We cite it so that people know what we are referring to. If you look at many of our numerous blog posts, you will see that we cite various government reports, news articles, etc. Some are used as sources of data; some are used, as with this one as "hey, this is what we're talking about," and here is our opinion on it.<br /><br />No, I do not think everything I read is true. I do, however, give the source of what I read. If I or anyone on this blog is going to write, rant, rave, give an opinion on something, don't you think it's good for them to show what they're talking about? If I wrote this blog post about Pelosi's vacation and how I don't like the media reporting on it, wouldn't you be scratching your head thinking "what is he talking about" if I didn't provide the article with which I disagree? As far as everything else being true,.. well, like I said, some of what we use for data are government reports (CRS report in the article titled "The Media and Half Truths," OMB data tables for "Revenue vs Spending," etc.) so are you going to say those are a lie, too? If they are, how can you prove it. We cite those, we stand by them. If you want to debate them, you're welcome to do so. <br /><br />You're going to prove I'm an idiot? Okay, go ahead. I tend to think I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not the gold standard. All I do is have an opinion and back it with cites. All I do is write a blog post and give the data I used for my analysis. All I did was go to college and get an education in what I tend to write about. So this one might be tough for you. But then again... why? What does that serve? If you are so offended by our blog, why stop by? All it is is an open forum for people to see something outside the mainstream media. It's a place where people can freely express their political views.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-56607133543867317212011-12-28T21:17:45.199-08:002011-12-28T21:17:45.199-08:00LME
Are you so stupid that you think posting lin...LME <br /><br />Are you so stupid that you think posting links constitute "Proof"<br /><br />Do you think everything you read is true?<br /><br />You are an idiot. Watch me link people to this comment to prove that it is true.<br /><br />As far as public servants abusing the money WE PAY for ....Well Duh dipshit. We need to pay attention. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? You listen to to much talk radio or somethingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-76213588089134129932011-12-28T10:53:39.182-08:002011-12-28T10:53:39.182-08:00Sam King - thank you for writing! Which post was y...Sam King - thank you for writing! Which post was yours?<br /><br />Also, do you have any link that shows the taxpayer's cost for Obama's vacation? That would be great news to share. <br /><br />Thank you for your input! I hope to hear back from you.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-41535233656291511462011-12-28T10:52:21.863-08:002011-12-28T10:52:21.863-08:00Dara - I think I got that ;-) There is never a rea...Dara - I think I got that ;-) There is never a reason to apologize for a viewpoint. As far as un-pc... eh, I don't really mind. Have a great holiday!LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-42621659121010415412011-12-28T10:41:38.399-08:002011-12-28T10:41:38.399-08:00LME, I read the article you are refering to and ev...LME, I read the article you are refering to and even commented on the article. I wasnt sure because it was never made clear in the article but I assumed it was her personal money paying for the room, thanks for clearing that up. <br />I did happen to read an article elsewhere that stated Obama's Hawaiian was costing taxpayer 3 million.<br />thanks,Sam Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-16534621024540189122011-12-28T10:31:39.243-08:002011-12-28T10:31:39.243-08:00@LME - Oops! I meant, in my opinion, NO Congress m...@LME - Oops! I meant, in my opinion, NO Congress member has done the work required to 'earn' a vacation. <br /><br />As far as disagreements - if/when they should come up, please forgive me in advance, as I'm pretty opinionated and tend to come across as very much un-PC... <br /><br />I look forward to the New Year... I'll hang on tight and brace for a wild ride! <br /><br />Cheers!Darahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612923804586600664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-7848127528079901992011-12-28T08:39:07.657-08:002011-12-28T08:39:07.657-08:00Dara - Welcome back and thanks for the comment! I ...Dara - Welcome back and thanks for the comment! I tell ya, you tend to have very similar views. I don't know what will happen when something comes about you and I fundamentally disagree on. Your statement of "Personally, I don't care to hear where Mrs. Pelosi spends her unearned (my opinion : ) vacation." is pretty close to mine. I tend to disagree (slightly) because I don't have enough knowledge of if her incomes is "unearned" or not :-P<br /><br />Thanks again, and if I don't hear back from you, HAPPY NEW YEAR!LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-86204542242926413232011-12-28T08:16:42.291-08:002011-12-28T08:16:42.291-08:00And NOW - back to our previously scheduled program...And NOW - back to our previously scheduled programming - lol<br /><br />Personally, I don't care to hear where Mrs. Pelosi spends her unearned (my opinion : ) vacation. It IS kind of 'odd' that she chose Hawaii - BUT the state consists of several islands, so I'm not even sure that she and our 'fearless leader' are on the same one. <br /><br />The original article stated that she'd vacationed in the same $10,000 per night suite for years, so maybe O followed her?<br /><br />My feeling is that the Fox people, like many of the rest of us, are sick and tired of the 'fair share' and 'spread the wealth around' mantras. <br /><br />(p.s.the article showed up on The Blaze as well.)<br /><br />Obama and Pelosi - along with my all time favorite Dirty Harry Reid (not!) - stand guilty as charged for the class warfare we're currently engaged in. Due to their constant yammering re: 'millionaires and billionares' - we now have the OWS people with calls out on twitter for recipes - to EAT them. <br /><br />And for clarity: A millionaire earns 5 X $50,000 - a billionaire earns 1,000 X a million... they're NOT even close, but lumped together as if they were.<br /><br />This article also comes on the heels of Pelosi's dismissive response when questioned about the insider trading that she and other members of Congress were/are engaged in. <br /><br />That, to me, was a much bigger story - due to the fact that us 'peons' would go directly to JAIL for the same behavior! (see: Martha Stewart)Congress slapped together a bill to stop the practice... it FAILED... go figure!<br /><br />On another note - young Russians are now comparing the Democrats in America - to Communists!(sorry, I didn't copy the link - I'll try to find it.)<br /><br />Oops! I digressed, sorry. <br /><br />As I said, I don't care - but, I have a fun question for Mrs. Pelosi... Why didn't you take any of your favorite 'Great Americans' - the OWSers - with you? <br /><br />Happy New Year All : )Darahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612923804586600664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-52704776697562395122011-12-28T07:18:58.642-08:002011-12-28T07:18:58.642-08:00Mike Crews - We do challenge any view we think we ...Mike Crews - We do challenge any view we think we should. We absolutely don't want to forcibly change someone else's views. Yes, we make a point and we stand by it. If someone opens our eyes to something (usually by giving facts and/or associated analysis we are missing) we will happily believe what they believe. That's the point of civil debate. But yes, we stand by our views, and we back them with cited facts. Thank you.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-22068716536290517682011-12-28T07:10:03.062-08:002011-12-28T07:10:03.062-08:00"So we can challenge views"
You've ..."So we can challenge views"<br /><br />You've just confirmed what I said. You don't want to change anyone's views, you want to cement your own.<br /><br />I don't have a goal here. The BBoard I usually post on is down due to a database problem. I simply jonesing for some rhetorical swordplay.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-22939082248395505432011-12-28T06:59:48.340-08:002011-12-28T06:59:48.340-08:00Mike Crews - Haha, now you're just getting fun...Mike Crews - Haha, now you're just getting funny.<br /><br />Reassuring? Really? Ok, try again? Our blog exists:<br /><br />1. So we can challenge views. We take positions, and when those positions challenge views we see out there, we write about it.<br />2. For people have a place to express their political views. <br /><br />As far as how other commenters see us... some agree, some disagree. That's totally fine. We are glad to have civil debates. <br /><br />And HA! I think I've watched a total of 3 episodes of Bill O'Reilly. I'm not big on individual journalists' opinions. This blog is "pimped" on news sites because we want people to get away from the constant drivel and insults slung there (kind of like you're doing here). We like respectful, insightful, fact-backed debate. You're free to express yourself, but you're really not making any relevant points. <br /><br />Again, what is your ultimate goal here? Is it to merely tell us our blog stinks? That's okay, and you're welcome to your opinion. We will still have ours'. The neat thing is... you're still contributing to it. Thank you!LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-31905956334843364122011-12-28T06:51:53.411-08:002011-12-28T06:51:53.411-08:00The point is this blog is your way of reassuring y...The point is this blog is your way of reassuring yourself that you know what is going on. It is an expression of anxiety. OWS and other events have made you anxious. But judging from how your answers are received by the other commenters, and by myself, it's not convincing anyone but LME. But that's all it needs to do to keep you going at it.<br /><br />Maybe one day O'Reilly will mention LME. I know you're hoping for it. That's why you pimp the blog so hard on news sites.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-73974780573402502312011-12-28T06:48:53.259-08:002011-12-28T06:48:53.259-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-55024666541068502992011-12-28T06:47:21.225-08:002011-12-28T06:47:21.225-08:00Again, like I said on your other post...
1. You ...Again, like I said on your other post... <br /><br />1. You should read our blog more... Yes I'm the PRIMARY contributor, but there are others. <br /><br />2. What is your point?LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-902318136380363252011-12-28T06:46:30.915-08:002011-12-28T06:46:30.915-08:00I love how you keep saying "We" when LME...I love how you keep saying "We" when LME is the only one that ever answers any comments.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-11395207402157186222011-12-28T06:28:37.150-08:002011-12-28T06:28:37.150-08:00Everything is fine. God Bless America.Everything is fine. God Bless America.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-58677579880294873062011-12-28T06:22:14.072-08:002011-12-28T06:22:14.072-08:00Mike - Well, you can surely say whatever you like....Mike - Well, you can surely say whatever you like... there is a difference, it appears, between me and my (our) blog and you... when we take a position, we actually back it.<br /><br />Again, I cannot live in a world that blindly follow things and makes a claim while ridiculing others for not "seeing" what you see, though you provide no proof of what you actually see. Myths are fun... but not a safe way to live. When you can actually back what you say, I would certainly love to hear it. Thank!LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-54850092787873463522011-12-28T06:20:36.324-08:002011-12-28T06:20:36.324-08:00Mike Crews - Proof is for those making a claim. Th...Mike Crews - Proof is for those making a claim. The onus falls on those that have a position to back that position. Having a view or opinion that one cannot back... isn't that the definition of ignorant?<br /><br />If I claimed "in the center of the moon there is a 100 year supply of nacho cheese..." and you said "okay... how do you know? Give me some proof" and I didn't... wouldn't you say I was a fool? Wouldn't you say I was ignorant. <br /><br />I'm sorry, I cannot live in the world of "if you can't see what I SAY is happening, you're blind." I would be happy to see what you see, when you actually show it to me. Thank you.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-35819534047873344712011-12-28T06:19:03.211-08:002011-12-28T06:19:03.211-08:00Keep writing your blog if it helps reassure you. ...Keep writing your blog if it helps reassure you. Everybody needs a blankie.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-80277510356792564582011-12-28T06:17:10.083-08:002011-12-28T06:17:10.083-08:00Proof is for mathematicians. If you are so insula...Proof is for mathematicians. If you are so insulated from what is happening, that you can't see what I am talking about, then good for you. Enjoy your happy life.Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-60617824840314051552011-12-28T06:10:52.637-08:002011-12-28T06:10:52.637-08:00Mike Crews - I'm sure you've read our blog...Mike Crews - I'm sure you've read our blog, right? You know that making a statement such as "Isn't it obvious who calls the shots in Washington?" isn't going to fly here. We want solid proof. Inferring and deducing certain things doesn't make them true. What kind of dangerous society would we live in if suspect A was found guilty of murdering victim B simply because "well, isn't it obvious?" We aren't entirely against OWS' positions... we are merely saying that they don't really give the solid backing behind the claims they make. We have challenged continuously (see our: http://loudmouthelephant.blogspot.com/2011/12/ows-we-are-looking-for-proof-and.html) and have received very little substantial proof above the lowest level of proof which is "isn't it clear this is happening." Please help by giving cited, actual proof. This isn't anything personal against you (we always maintain personal respect in our open forum-style blog), we just want people to back what they say. Thank you.LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-76919752246623823052011-12-28T06:08:11.243-08:002011-12-28T06:08:11.243-08:00They say "Jump!" and Washington says &qu...They say "Jump!" and Washington says "How high?"Mike Crewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565457118307041402noreply@blogger.com