tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post3668767986280791039..comments2024-02-02T08:15:38.747-08:00Comments on The Elephant in the Room: The November 2012 Jobs ReportLMEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-87796782599999630332012-12-10T11:07:39.541-08:002012-12-10T11:07:39.541-08:00I definitely agree with you. Labor participation r...I definitely agree with you. Labor participation rate, in my opinion, tells a better story. In extreme theory... we can have a labor participation rate of 40%, the remaining 60% would not be counted in the labor force (that number that we keep hearing about that simply "gives up" looking for work), and the U/E would be trumpeted as a victorious 0.0%. <br /><br />With respect to mistrust, I'm just saying, by no fault of the government, I certainly see why people are skeptical. It will always be that way. LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-64152541749726513412012-12-10T10:47:55.976-08:002012-12-10T10:47:55.976-08:00I certainly wouldn't blame people for being sk...I certainly wouldn't blame people for being skeptical of the government in general, either, but my point is simply that this method of calculating the unemployment has been accepted nationally (and internationally) well before Obama. <br /><br />And like I said, I agree with it not being a fair representation of the actual unemployment, and I agree with it being a horrible number to 'rally around' (as the media, many people and politicians tend to).RKennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-33764489613608097442012-12-10T10:24:42.774-08:002012-12-10T10:24:42.774-08:00RKen - I certainly see your point, and people are ...RKen - I certainly see your point, and people are going to have their opinions regardless. Whether grounded in truth or not, I can definitely see why people wouldn't trust the government. I don't think the government necessarily "fudges" the numbers or anything like that, but all I'm saying is that when you see info about how the numbers were reduced for both Sept and Oct... while I don't think the gov't actively did this, I can see why might sneer at this with some skepticism. LMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429716019519498131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-76236920674552728932012-12-10T10:07:30.020-08:002012-12-10T10:07:30.020-08:00A bit late to the party this round, but I actually...A bit late to the party this round, but I actually agree. <br /><br />The only thing I'd like to add, is that this method of calculating the employment rate has been the accepted, official method for decades. And is the international standard measurement of unemployment, as accepted across most countries. <br /><br />I say this, because people tend to like to tag their disagreement with how the official unemployment rate is calculated with some sort of conspiracy theory, or Obama 'playing with the numbers', or the liberal media bias, etc. But its been this way for far longer than most people realize, and isn't unique to him, his administration, or anything like that. <br /><br />That doesn’t mean I don’t give a pass to the media (and well, people in general) for swarming around the number as if it’s the most important, accurate measure of all… as they shouldn’t… but let’s just be fair here on this being a long-standing issue that isn’t a fault of any current (or recent) administration. <br />RKennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-56618652893312512462012-12-07T08:51:30.959-08:002012-12-07T08:51:30.959-08:00Scott
I agree, for the most part, with about ever...Scott<br /><br />I agree, for the most part, with about everything you said. Thank you for sharing. <br /><br />The media's reporting of this state is what makes it rigged. The stat itself is, by the way it's calculated - you could argue against that - real, but because the media wants to do anything it can to make Obama look good, it will report and trumpet this as a wonderful thing. So you are definitely correct there. And also, sir, you are 100% correct in saying that the labor participation rate is a better indicator. <br /><br />The only question I have is on the concept of government lies. This data is misleading, but only because it's broadcasted by the media. The media (in a technical sense, though many like point to it as an arm of the administration), is not the government. <br /><br />Furthermore, this does lead to a loss of trust. <br /><br />So I agree with you mostly, and as someone who follows this blog daily - it's, in my opinion, the best, most well-written place to share debates and ideas (I grew tired of the comment boards on cnn and Fox News.com), since I've never seen you here, welcome. MN 4 Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1042042552998680556.post-65622286628402408722012-12-07T08:34:33.875-08:002012-12-07T08:34:33.875-08:00I wish the media would just stop reporting that mi...I wish the media would just stop reporting that misleading "unemployment rate". It's a rigged statistic designed to make things look better than they are. The labor participation rate is a much better indicator.<br /><br />I sometimes wonder if no one in government ever stops to consider the consequences of their constant lies and misleading statements. Eventually they lose all credibility and respect. How do they expect to maintain an orderly society when everyone is convinced that the government is comprised of a bunch of corrupt thieves and liars?Scott Reynoldsnoreply@blogger.com